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Eternum Praetorian True Creation	Posted - 2010.08.15 13:15:00 - [1] Yes. Do it. CCP DO IT!!!!!!!!!!! Make 0.0 interesting again.
Eternum Praetorian True Creation	Posted - 2010.08.19 12:46:00 - [2] Edited by: Eternum Praetorian on 19/08/2010 12:47:30 Let Me Fix This For You Mr. Short Sighted 1. Big alliances get more powerful since only they have the manpower to maintain scouts on gates for intel. No. They have supercarrier on top of Titans on top of NAP fests now. They can't get more powerful. 2. Solo players and small groups will get more risk when ratting or plexing. You seem to be forgetting that the ewil piwates can't see if your in local either. 3. Wardecced players would find out that stations are deathtraps since they can't check local to see if a wt is camping outside. You are 100% safe at undock, but I am not going to tell you why. 4. Players would get more risk averse due to lack of intel. They don't do proper intel now. The only change is that they would become invisible to the enemy. 5. Revamping dscan to show needing standing info would put a strain on server resources. Dscan needs an overhaul anyway, this would be a good reason to make it happen. 6. Dscan can't differentiate between piloted or non piloted ships, is clogged with wreck and pos info as well. Systems with many ships would make active scanning near impossible. See above. 7. Hitting a button every 5 seconds isn't good gameplay. See above. 8. It would give way too much power to cov ops ships since cloaks wont show up on d-scan at all. No other tool but local exists to deal with cloaked ships. It's a cloak, you shouldn't see them. And if you MUST see them, make them come up as an unknown contact on Dscan or something after it gets overhauled.
Eternum Praetorian True Creation	Posted - 2010.08.19 13:08:00 - [3] Edited by: Eternum Praetorian on 19/08/2010 13:09:00 Originally by: Minchurra If you really must remove it, why not just make local chat (as it is now) a buyable system upgrade like cyno jam? Originally by: Eternum Praetorian Edited by: Eternum Praetorian on 19/08/2010 12:47:30 2. Solo players and small groups will get more risk when ratting or plexing. You seem to be forgetting that the ewil piwates can't see if your in local either. Thats not a particularly great retort, 30 seconds on DOTLAN (or the ingame map for that matter) will instantly show you your target's ratting systems, the "ewil piwates" know where you are, so you're still at a disadvantage. So you pick one out of eight points? And then ignore the part about overhauling the Dscan? Scared Carebear?
Eternum Praetorian True Creation	Posted - 2010.08.19 13:15:00 - [4] Edited by: Eternum Praetorian on 19/08/2010 13:15:33 Akita T suggestions would actually make life better for 0.0 plexers. People look at Dotlan maps now anyway.
Eternum Praetorian True Creation	Posted - 2010.08.19 13:59:00 - [5] Edited by: Eternum Praetorian on 19/08/2010 14:00:08 At this very moment, do to local, in theory no one should ever get caught off guard and tackled in 0.0 (or any pleace else for that matter) while plexing or running missions. Between the blue system and local, EVERYONE has a fool proof way to keep their ship intact 23/7. And yet as you said, people are getting tackled in carriers all the time People ultimately are fallible [not to mention exceedingly dumb] and so removing local and adding an upgraded version of the Dscan will not really change the odds of who who lives and who dies. You have a 100% fool proof method now, and yet that isn't good enough for these idiots plexing in carriers. What it WILL change, is how people interact with the game in order to gather intel. The dumb, the lazy and the meh will die stupid, needless deaths like they do now. The difference between gathering intel from local VS Dscan would be something like: 1.) You are not sure if the other guy has 4 or 7 ships. 2.) You still know what kinds they are (the ones you do see) 3.) You are not sure who is piloting those ships or what corp/alliance they belong to without some EFFORT ON YOUR PART. This makes life better for a PVP based game, and yet it does nothing in terms of making the game less safe for carebears. We can have our cake and eat it too \0/
Eternum Praetorian True Creation	Posted - 2010.08.19 16:36:00 - [6] Originally by: Cearain Blows it out of his kazoo Dscan needs to be fixed anyway. Local intel requires no effort. Are you still confused?
Eternum Praetorian	Posted - 2010.08.22 12:32:00 - [7] BUMP! Because people need important topics beaten to death!
Eternum Praetorian PWNED Factor Elite	Posted - 2010.08.25 17:32:00 - [8] Edited by: Eternum Praetorian on 25/08/2010 17:31:59 Beep Yea, this is a very good idea.
Eternum Praetorian PWNED Factor Elite	Posted - 2010.08.25 20:08:00 - [9] Originally by: Nisanu Edited by: Nisanu on 25/08/2010 18:32:06 Originally by: zz01shagsme local or no local - not bothered is my verdict but for a solo pvper local does spoil it. I don't understand why people think this. 1) removing local will also remove vulnerable targets (ratters, mission runners, etc.), because it would simply become unprofitable (too risky) to continue doing that without back-up. 2) As a solo pvp-er, not having local means not knowing anything about your target's back-up (corp mates in the (neighbouring)system), making solo PvP pretty suicidal. You will have no clue as to whether that ratter or that small gate camp is truly vulnerable or not. Removing local might make alliance warfare more tactical/interesting, but it would also make 0.0 more of a wasteland where neutrals have no place. I disagree, and you have totally missed ALL of the Dscan upgrade suggestions. Also, you seem to be crying about how you will have to do more work to hunt as well
Eternum Praetorian PWNED Factor Elite	Posted - 2010.08.26 12:12:00 - [10] Originally by: Thor Brawn I vote for this. Heck if the entire game went this way it would be for the better... Except for one thing. Put windows on stations, even if it is only displaying names and ship types. Undocking to the unknown would kill this game. Is that because all stations are kickout stations?

Eternum Praetorian PWNED Factor Elite	Posted - 2010.08.26 12:21:00 - [11] Edited by: Eternum Praetorian on 26/08/2010 12:22:24 Originally by: Nisanu Edited by: Nisanu on 25/08/2010 22:35:20 Stuff This Is What The Old Hud Looked Like Would it be so terrible to see little red dots in that circle thing when there was danger in system, when something was warping towards you, or something similar along those lines? I will say again, SOOOO many people die NOW because they are to dumb to keep an eye on local. I don't see why, or how, removing it and adding in space "Radar" would hurt anyone. It would just make the game all around better and realistic.
Eternum Praetorian PWNED Factor Elite	Posted - 2010.08.26 12:30:00 - [12] Atlas cam had like 1,700 viewers. Allot of the EVE population just reads the forums and doesn't post because they consider the trolls here the dredges of society. Also you can't expect most people to know what is good for them, or the game. Most people don't have a clue. Like these folks continually stating stations need windows, they don't understand the in game mechanics.
Eternum Praetorian PWNED Factor Elite	Posted - 2010.08.26 18:23:00 - [13] Edited by: Eternum Praetorian on 26/08/2010 18:24:40 Originally by: Sky Marshal Toot... Is it just me or did you just let one rip? Responding will only validate your post, you need better reading comprehension. Or maybe you just missed a few posts back there somewhere, try reading it again. Eagerly awaiting your "No I didn't response."
Eternum Praetorian PWNED Factor Elite	Posted - 2010.08.26 19:43:00 - [14] Edited by: Eternum Praetorian on 26/08/2010 19:43:50 Originally by: Riaqu The point is that you still have some control over the situation, and you don't have to be in state of paranoid frenzy every single second that you are undocked. This is important because, as in any game, you want to feel that you have at least some control over your success or failure. Seeing that people are warping towards you is nowhere near enough to feel that you are in control (as you will mostly be too late to escape anyway, especially if the scout uncloaks and tackles you). Why do you assume in space "Radar" would make it so the enemy can warp to you so quickly that you would have no time to get away? That is an assumption, and it is NOT what the rest of us are suggesting. Quote: I just wish that people in this debate acknowledge the inherent risk of removing local if its replacement doesn't allow for sufficient carebearing and solo flying. I suspect that many of the proponents are members of strong 0.0 alliances, and have forgotten what it is like to not have powerful allies to back you up I wish people would acknowledge the fact that if local was gone, YOU would become invisible to the blobs that are trying to hunt you. This would increase the freedom of movement of solo players and people who prefer small gang pvp. With an improved Dscan, you would be very secure about your immediate environment. 1.) If you are ratting alone, no one knows you are there. 2.) If you are ratting in one of your home systems, (assuming there is not some kind of sov intel thing) there would be so many Dscans up you would have the entire system covered anyway. 3.) You people arguing on the side of keeping local are being phenomenally short sighted about it.
Eternum Praetorian PWNED Factor Elite	Posted - 2010.08.27 01:26:00 - [15] Originally by: Super Whopper This troll thread by Akita is still going and people are still biting Akita simply wants CCP to self destruct and delayed mode/no local in 0.0 is the perfect way to force everyone back to high sec so his missions are boosted. Well done Akita, this, for once, is a 'successful' thread, not that you won't be anything more than a troll. Legitimate issue (TM)
Eternum Praetorian PWNED Factor Elite	Posted - 2010.08.27 12:53:00 - [16] Originally by: Allestin Villimar Oh boy, when I go into 0.0 I want to constantly click the scan button all the time. That sure sounds like fun and wouldn't contribute to lag in any way! You have LITERALLY not read a word of this thread. And please never stop posting....

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